Some thoughts on "modelling" ourselves and "living according to nature" - part one
A conversation with ChatGPT about core concepts in the Socratic tradition
Jannik: Thinking about the idea of "modelling" ourselves after something perhaps we can say that human beings generally model themselves after what ever conception they have of what a human being is and where human beings fit into the greater scheme of things.
ChatGPT 4.0 That's a valid observation. The way people model themselves is indeed influenced by their understanding of what it means to be human and how humans fit into the larger scheme of things. This understanding, which is shaped by cultural, social, religious, and philosophical beliefs, serves as a guiding framework for individuals to determine their values, aspirations, and behavior.
As people's conceptions of human nature and humanity's place in the world evolve, so do their ideas of what they should strive for and how they should live their lives. By aligning themselves with their understanding of what it means to be human and their perceived role in the greater scheme of things, individuals attempt to create a sense of harmony and meaning in their lives.
In this context, "modeling" can be seen as a process of aligning one's thoughts, beliefs, and actions with a particular conception of human nature and the universe. This alignment can help individuals to navigate the complexities of life and make choices that are consistent with their understanding of what it means to be human and their place in the world.
Jannik: So, in other words, the kind of modelling we are talking about is equal to trying to "live according to nature. Don't you agree?
ChatGPT: Yes, the concept of "modeling" oneself after a particular understanding of human nature and one's place in the universe can indeed be linked to the idea of "living according to nature." Both concepts involve aligning one's thoughts, beliefs, and actions with an understanding of what it means to be human and the perceived role of humans in the greater scheme of things.
In the context of Stoic philosophy, living according to nature implies living in harmony with the rational principles that govern the universe and human nature. This idea can be extended more broadly to encompass the pursuit of a life that is in tune with one's understanding of human nature, the natural world, and the cosmos.
While the specific interpretation of what it means to "live according to nature" may vary depending on one's philosophical, cultural, or religious beliefs, the underlying concept of modeling oneself after a particular understanding of human nature and the universe is consistent. By striving to live in harmony with their conception of nature, individuals seek to create a sense of meaning, purpose, and coherence in their lives.
Jannik: And how would you unfold the idea of living according to nature in the context of Plato's philosophy?
ChatGPT: In the context of Plato's philosophy, living according to nature can be understood in terms of aligning one's life with the principles of reason, virtue, and the pursuit of the Good. Plato's view of human nature and the universe is heavily influenced by the existence of a realm of eternal and unchangeable Forms or Ideas, which are the ultimate source of truth, beauty, and goodness. By living according to these principles, individuals can find harmony and fulfillment in their lives.
Here are some aspects of living according to nature in Plato's philosophy:
1. Pursuit of knowledge and wisdom: Plato believes that the philosopher's primary goal is to gain knowledge of the eternal Forms, especially the Form of the Good, which is the highest and most perfect reality. By pursuing wisdom and understanding the true nature of things, individuals can make rational and informed decisions in their lives, thus living in accordance with the principles of reason and nature.
2. Development of virtues: Plato emphasizes the importance of cultivating virtues such as wisdom, courage, temperance, and justice. These virtues are essential for living a harmonious and balanced life. By developing virtues, individuals can bring their soul into alignment with the divine order and nature, enabling them to live according to the highest ideals of human nature.
3. Harmony of the soul: In Plato's philosophy, the soul is divided into three parts: the rational, the spirited, and the appetitive. To live according to nature, individuals must strive for harmony and balance among these parts of the soul. This can be achieved by cultivating virtues, pursuing knowledge, and subordinating the lower desires to the guidance of reason.
4. Participation in the just society: Plato's Republic envisions an ideal society where individuals contribute to the common good by fulfilling their appropriate roles based on their abilities and nature. By participating in a just society and working toward the common good, individuals can live in harmony with the natural order and contribute to the realization of a more perfect world.
In summary, living according to nature in Plato's philosophy involves the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom, the cultivation of virtues, the harmony of the soul, and participation in a just society. By aligning their lives with these principles, individuals can attain harmony, happiness, and fulfillment in their existence.
Jannik: Generally, the Stoics - not Plato - are credited for the idea of living according to nature. Why do think that is?
ChatGPT: The Stoics are often more closely associated with the idea of living according to nature because it is a central and defining concept in Stoic philosophy, whereas, in Plato's philosophy, the concept is embedded within a broader metaphysical framework that includes the theory of Forms and the structure of the ideal society.
Here are some reasons why the Stoics are more closely associated with the idea of living according to nature:
1. Emphasis on natural law: The Stoics believed that the universe is governed by a rational and divine principle called Logos, which is synonymous with natural law. They held that living in accordance with nature means following this natural law, which can be discovered through reason. This focus on natural law as the guiding principle for human behavior is a distinctive feature of Stoic philosophy.
2. Virtue as the sole good: The Stoics believed that the ultimate goal of human life is to achieve eudaimonia, or flourishing, by developing virtues and living in harmony with nature. In their view, virtue is the sole good, and it is both necessary and sufficient for happiness. This emphasis on virtue as the means to achieve a life in accordance with nature is a central tenet of Stoicism.
3. Practical guidance for daily life: Stoic philosophy is known for its practical guidance and emphasis on applying its principles to everyday life. The Stoics provided specific advice on how to live in harmony with nature, such as practicing mindfulness, accepting the natural course of events, and cultivating indifference to external circumstances. This focus on practical wisdom and daily application makes the concept of living according to nature more prominent in Stoic thought.
4. Influence and continuity: The Stoic school of philosophy had a long and influential history, spanning several centuries from its founding by Zeno of Citium in the early 3rd century BCE to its development and popularization by later philosophers such as Seneca, Epictetus, and Marcus Aurelius. This long-lasting influence helped to establish and solidify the connection between Stoicism and the idea of living according to nature.
While the concept of living according to nature is present in both Plato's and the Stoics' philosophies, the reasons mentioned above explain why the Stoics are more closely associated with this idea. The Stoics' emphasis on natural law, virtue, practical guidance, and their enduring influence contributed to the strong association between Stoicism and the idea of living in harmony with nature.
I never really considered "Living according to nature" to be Plato's thing, as he is more about the eternal plane of the forms, but I suppose this plane *is* what we mean by "rational principles that govern the world" as they are true and eternal. Makes sense.